Github Issues


(James Campbell) #1

A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in
Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.

This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help
people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care
about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for
this.

My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot
someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution
talks

https://stylemac.com/hirundo

Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is that
hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should need
a special app for this.

If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is.
Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic
re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said
something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone
ignored that email.

···

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(John Randolph) #2

The problem of mailing list clutter was solved decades ago, with RFC 3977.

I think it would make a lot of sense for these discussions to be in a newsgroup, but unfortunately almost nobody has newsreader apps anymore.

-jcr


(Dave Abrahams) #3

The problem of mailing list clutter was solved decades ago, with RFC 3977.

I think it would make a lot of sense for these discussions to be in a
newsgroup,

They are in a newsgroup:

  news.gmane.org:gmane.comp.lang.swift.evolution

That's how I do almost all my reading and posting.

but unfortunately almost nobody has newsreader apps anymore.

Or everybody does ;-). Emacs/Gnus can do it, and that's (albeit an old
version) already on your Mac, if you have a mac. Thunderbird does it
too.

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on Mon Feb 08 2016, John Randolph <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

--
-Dave


(Karoy Lorentey) #4

For those who still do, Gmane provides a nice bidirectional NNTP gateway:

nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.swift.evolution

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On 2016-02-08 16:07:25 +0000, John Randolph via swift-evolution said:

The problem of mailing list clutter was solved decades ago, with RFC 3977.

I think it would make a lot of sense for these discussions to be in a newsgroup, but unfortunately almost nobody has newsreader apps anymore.

--
K�roly


(Lily Ballard) #5

GitHub's issue tracker is pretty awful. Not only is it missing a lot of
functionality that one would expect from an issue tracker, it also fails
horribly at a vehicle for discussion. GitHub issues simply don't scale
well for discussions that go beyond a handful of messages.

-Kevin Ballard

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2016, at 06:41 AM, James Campbell via swift-evolution wrote:

A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed
openly in Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in
Github itself.

This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would
help people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they
don't care about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some
good support for this.

My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest
#NatashaTheRobot someone has now built a custom app just to organize
the swift evolution talks

https://stylemac.com/hirundo

Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is
that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we
should need a special app for this.

If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what
is. Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same
topic re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where
somebody said something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted
so everyone ignored that email. *___________________________________*

*James⎥Lead Engineer*

*james@supmenow.com⎥supmenow.com*

*Sup*

*Runway East *

*10 Finsbury Square*

*London*

* EC2A 1AF *

_________________________________________________
swift-evolution mailing list swift-evolution@swift.org
https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution


(Rudolf Adamkovič) #6

+1 for just GitHub instead of GitHub + JIRA + email. One inbox, easier to follow, more integrated, etc.

R+

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On 08 Feb 2016, at 15:41, James Campbell via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.

This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for this.

My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution talks

https://stylemac.com/hirundo

Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should need a special app for this.

If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is. Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone ignored that email.
___________________________________

James⎥Lead Engineer

james@supmenow.com⎥supmenow.com

Sup

Runway East >

10 Finsbury Square

London

> EC2A 1AF

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(Ilya Belenkiy) #7

+1 for GitHub

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:29 PM Rudolf Adamkovic via swift-evolution < swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

+1 for just GitHub instead of GitHub + JIRA + email. One inbox, easier to
follow, more integrated, etc.

R+

Sent from my iPhone

On 08 Feb 2016, at 15:41, James Campbell via swift-evolution < > swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in
Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.

This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help
people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care
about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for
this.

My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot
someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution
talks

https://stylemac.com/hirundo

Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is
that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should
need a special app for this.

If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is.
Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic
re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said
something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone
ignored that email.

*___________________________________*

*James⎥Lead Engineer*

*james@supmenow.com <james@supmenow.com>⎥supmenow.com
<http://supmenow.com>*

*Sup*

*Runway East *

*10 Finsbury Square*

*London*

* EC2A 1AF *

_______________________________________________
swift-evolution mailing list
swift-evolution@swift.org
https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution

_______________________________________________
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https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution


(Craig Cruden) #8

Isn’t BitBucket equivalent to GitHub + JIRA :stuck_out_tongue:

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On 2016-02-11, at 3:29:12, Rudolf Adamkovic via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

+1 for just GitHub instead of GitHub + JIRA + email. One inbox, easier to follow, more integrated, etc.

R+

Sent from my iPhone

On 08 Feb 2016, at 15:41, James Campbell via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote:

A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.

This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for this.

My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution talks

https://stylemac.com/hirundo

Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should need a special app for this.

If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is. Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone ignored that email.
___________________________________

James⎥Lead Engineer

james@supmenow.com <mailto:james@supmenow.com>⎥supmenow.com <http://supmenow.com/>
Sup

Runway East >>

10 Finsbury Square

London

>> EC2A 1AF

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swift-evolution mailing list
swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>
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(Tim Hawkins) #9

The other problem with using an issue tracker as a discusion system, is
that any topic that ages off the first page of results pretty much
disappears from everybodies conciousness. I kind of prefer the firehose
that the mail list provides.

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On Feb 11, 2016 9:59 AM, "Kevin Ballard via swift-evolution" < swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

GitHub's issue tracker is pretty awful. Not only is it missing a lot of
functionality that one would expect from an issue tracker, it also fails
horribly at a vehicle for discussion. GitHub issues simply don't scale well
for discussions that go beyond a handful of messages.

-Kevin Ballard

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016, at 06:41 AM, James Campbell via swift-evolution wrote:

A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in
Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.

This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help
people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care
about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for
this.

My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot
someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution
talks

https://stylemac.com/hirundo

Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is
that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should
need a special app for this.

If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is.
Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic
re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said
something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone
ignored that email.

*___________________________________*

*James⎥Lead Engineer*

*james@supmenow.com <james@supmenow.com>⎥supmenow.com
<http://supmenow.com>*

*Sup*

*Runway East *

*10 Finsbury Square*

*London*

* EC2A 1AF *
*_______________________________________________*
swift-evolution mailing list
swift-evolution@swift.org
https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution

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