A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in
Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.
This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help
people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care
about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for
this.
My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot
someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution
talks
Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is that
hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should need
a special app for this.
If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is.
Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic
re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said
something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone
ignored that email.
GitHub's issue tracker is pretty awful. Not only is it missing a lot of
functionality that one would expect from an issue tracker, it also fails
horribly at a vehicle for discussion. GitHub issues simply don't scale
well for discussions that go beyond a handful of messages.
-Kevin Ballard
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2016, at 06:41 AM, James Campbell via swift-evolution wrote:
A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed
openly in Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in
Github itself.
This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would
help people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they
don't care about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some
good support for this.
My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot someone has now built a custom app just to organize
the swift evolution talks
Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is
that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we
should need a special app for this.
If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what
is. Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same
topic re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where
somebody said something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted
so everyone ignored that email. *___________________________________*
+1 for just GitHub instead of GitHub + JIRA + email. One inbox, easier to follow, more integrated, etc.
R+
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On 08 Feb 2016, at 15:41, James Campbell via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.
This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for this.
My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution talks
Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should need a special app for this.
If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is. Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone ignored that email.
___________________________________
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 3:29 PM Rudolf Adamkovic via swift-evolution < swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
+1 for just GitHub instead of GitHub + JIRA + email. One inbox, easier to
follow, more integrated, etc.
R+
Sent from my iPhone
On 08 Feb 2016, at 15:41, James Campbell via swift-evolution < > swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in
Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.
This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help
people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care
about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for
this.
My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot
someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution
talks
Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is
that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should
need a special app for this.
If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is.
Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic
re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said
something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone
ignored that email.
On 2016-02-11, at 3:29:12, Rudolf Adamkovic via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
+1 for just GitHub instead of GitHub + JIRA + email. One inbox, easier to follow, more integrated, etc.
R+
Sent from my iPhone
On 08 Feb 2016, at 15:41, James Campbell via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote:
A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.
This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for this.
My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution talks
Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should need a special app for this.
If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is. Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone ignored that email.
___________________________________
The other problem with using an issue tracker as a discusion system, is
that any topic that ages off the first page of results pretty much
disappears from everybodies conciousness. I kind of prefer the firehose
that the mail list provides.
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On Feb 11, 2016 9:59 AM, "Kevin Ballard via swift-evolution" < swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
GitHub's issue tracker is pretty awful. Not only is it missing a lot of
functionality that one would expect from an issue tracker, it also fails
horribly at a vehicle for discussion. GitHub issues simply don't scale well
for discussions that go beyond a handful of messages.
-Kevin Ballard
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016, at 06:41 AM, James Campbell via swift-evolution wrote:
A while back I brought up the fact that since Swift is developed openly in
Github perhaps the best way to discuss changes is in Github itself.
This was a very controversal topic. Overall my feeling is it would help
people to keep up with discussions and to duck out of ones they don't care
about. I wasn't the only one to feel this way and got some good support for
this.
My inbox is 75% swift-evolution for things I don't care about. I think
things have gotten a bit crazy as this week in the latest #NatashaTheRobot
someone has now built a custom app just to organize the swift evolution
talks
Think about this, someone has felt that following these discussions is
that hard. That not only is two daily newsletters not enough but we should
need a special app for this.
If this doesn't say the mailing list is a bad idea, I don't know what is.
Add that to the face I've seen at least 5 or 6 times the same topic
re-posted as it went on a wild tangent, people lost where somebody said
something important or a bunch of other stuff was posted so everyone
ignored that email.