On Wed, Mar 9, 2016, 2:03 PM Joe Groff via swift-evolution < swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
I'm wary of any forum software with "community moderation" or gamification
features. These inevitably become amplifiers for narrow points of view, and
they tend to lead to community owners abdicating their own responsibility
for moderating their communities.
-Joe
On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Adrian Kashivskyy via swift-evolution < > swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
I'm a very big supporter of moving the discussions to a Discourse forum
installation. Here are my arguments:
1. *Subscribing to interesting threads*
In the mailing list, it is not possible to subscribe to a thread
unless the mail client supports it. In a forum, you can subscribe to a
thread and you may even turn on email notifications.
2. *Muting uninteresting threads*
Unless the mail client is supporting it (many don't) – it's not
possible to mute a thread – all emails are equally important.
3. *Searching*
It is way easier to search an indexed forum like Discourse, than
searching through 12k emails
4. *Message formatting*
We tend to include many code examples and formatted text in our
messages. Some of us tend to create markdown files on the side and then
paste the generated HTML into an email body. Discourse supports
mix-and-match of Markdown, HTML and BBEdit.
5. *Tags*
In the mailing list, most of us tend to include [tags] in the mail
subjects, but some folks forget or ignore them. Discourse allows to
predefine tags for the threads which improves indexing and searching even
more.
6. *Pinned threads*
Announcements of e.g. ongoing reviews may take a form of pinned
threads so they are immediately visible to forum members.
7. *The problem of replying to a thread with a changed subject*
Sometimes users reply to threads but accidentally add a tag or a
whitespace to the message subject. Most mail client interpret it as a new
thread and such a reply may be lost in the wild. Replies to coherent forum
threads are never lost, they're always in the right place.
8. *Accessibility*
Even if your mailing client allows all of the above features,
sometimes it is needed to access the forums from a phone or on a university
computer, where many functionalities are blocked. Although it is possible
to access the webmail page in the browser, it is most often painful to
navigate through archives (especially on icloud.com ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). When
using Discourse, all above features are available everywhere.
9. *Permanent links*
To share a link to a Discourse discussion, you just copy it from the
browser URL field. To share a link to a mailing list reply, you need to
open the web archive, find the topic manually and then copy the URL from
the browser field anyway.
10. *Mentioning other users*
In mailing list, this is achievable by including the target user in a
recipients list. In forum, you just @mention someone, just like in GitHub
issues.
11. *Privacy*
Some users don't want their private emails to be disclosed in a
mailing list. In a forum like Discourse, you can choose whether your email
is displayed publicly or not.
I can actually go on and on with my points, but I very much hope that the
above list is sufficient to start a serious discussion about migrating to a
forum, like Discourse.
Regards,
Adrian Kashivskyy
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Using Mail here, it works well for me! :)
On Mar 6, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Kevin Lundberg via swift-evolution < > swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
I wonder if some of the dislike for mailing lists here is due to people
using Mail.app on osx/ios to keep up with discussions. I find that
Thunderbird's mailing list handling is really nice (much better than
Mail.app), since it correctly shows replies as a tree so it's easy to see
which messages reply to which at a glance.
On 3/6/2016 12:54 PM, Goffredo Marocchi via swift-evolution wrote:
Setting up a custom Google Wave service? ... *waits for laughter to die
down* it is actually open source and did its job well actually.
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Mar 2016, at 17:35, Radosław Pietruszewski via swift-evolution < > swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
I have to admit that I’ve also gotten used to the current system, however
archaic ;)
I’d still be happy to move to a more modern system, but it’s not as
important to me as in the beginning.
The only requirement, I think, for a lot of people, would be for the new
system to still allow subscription and posting to go through email.
Best,
— Radek
On 05 Mar 2016, at 00:37, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution < > swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
Speaking as someone who tries to observe trends in discussions, does a lot
of search through her mail archives,
and uses gmane to capture permanent links, I've been very satisfied with
the existing solution.
I suspect that most of us happy users never get heard in this discussion,
so I'm just putting this out there.
-- Erica
On Mar 4, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution < > <swift-evolution@swift.org>swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
Friendly bump:
Discourse is now free for open-source projects.
Free Discourse forum hosting for community-friendly GitHub projects
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