SSWG - October 9, 2024

finestructure · October 23, 2024, 2:58pm

Attendees

Discuss first next time

Simon: finalise incubation review
- we've had some discussion on the DM thread
- wrap this up next time

Goals

Concurrency & Structured Concurrency adoptions

@FranzBusch and @Joannis_Orlandos to collaborate and a rough outline for a structured concurrency server applications post.
- Carry over to post-conference plus there is a talk at the conference.

Swift 6

Adoption of strict concurrency is in progress
- There are expected issues for XCTest; the work around is to mark tests as @MainActor, although there are some edge cases where this can cause issues. Adoption of SwiftTesting is recommended instead if possible (ie. no requirement for Swift 5.X)
- Apple packages are planning to keep using the Swift 5 language mode with the Swift 6 compiler until the Swift 5.X compiler versions can be dropped.

Marketing

@ktoso to address creating benchmarks from the SSWG perspective.
- Carry over.
Build out integrated example project @FranzBusch @tiborbodecs
Wait for Swift 6 before we build integrated example.
- Carry over; some initial progress made by @tiborbodecs
- Tibor: wanted to use Protocol Buffers, still looking for good idea
Show-case two server side projects/success stories @0xTim @ktoso
- There should be some success stories at the conference; might be able to transfer some of these to blog posts
- speaker from conference to give show case

Tooling

Investigate official Swift GH action @0xTim , @FranzBusch , @sebsto
- new repo with workflows: GitHub - swiftlang/github-workflows
- doesn't yet unblock the full adoption in repos
- but unblocks contributions
What is the progress on Amazon Linux 2023
- Seb made some progress after the conference
- no ld-gold in Az linux
- main branch has removed dependency but 6.0 doesn't have it yet
- Konrad to help get the patch on the 6.0 branch from main, seb to provide exact PR that has the change
- after merge @taylorswift get in touch with @mishal_shah to prepare docker images etc

HTTP server and middlewares

Move forward with the reviews of the initial API drafts @FranzBusch
- carry over; pick up after conference. @FranzBusch wants to get more people involved.
- pressure after Vapor 5 blogpost
- gRPC v2 is almost done and got positive feedback at gRPC conference.
- @Joannis_Orlandos will follow up with @FranzBusch on this

Benchmarks

@Joannis_Orlandos to share instruments trace
- Start off with a simple one and extend it from there

Previous Actions Items

@FranzBusch to create forum post for last-three-versions toolchain requirement for server apps
- @FranzBusch talking with other teams in Apple, might be part of a larger conversation
- @ktoso: there is a disagreement between developers what to do so good to standardise
@sebsto @tiborbodecs review and update swift.org deployment guides (AWS & others).
- land at least 2-3 common use cases
@tachyonics to review Refactor the Why Swift on Server section and add page on concurrency. by tachyonics · Pull Request #496 · swiftlang/swift-org-website · GitHub
- carry over
Installing the Swiftinit GitHub app to swiftlang org @Ben_Cohen to look at, and team to bring up at the next Core Team meeting
- @taylorswift and @ktoso to be added to the forums post
- @taylorswift pinged @mishal_shah on Monday
- @Ben_Cohen : Core Team didn't have room yet on their agenda to discuss
Issue with SwiftTesting raised by @0xTim
@0xTim to add a GitHub issue

Agenda

@Joannis_Orlandos: Windows support
- Libraries starting to add support
- NIO not supporting it is a big blocker
- What's the situation with NIO on Windows?
- @Ben_Cohen: Question for @FranzBusch
  - big task
  - understood it's a big problem
- @finestructure : Saleem's branch perhaps usable
@FranzBusch : annual update
- might not have to do anything, b/c there was an update in March
- will continue discussion in DM thread
@tiborbodecs : file watcher solution using FSEvents / Inotify
- @FranzBusch had mentioned something at the conf
- carry over until next time when @FranzBusch is around
@Joannis_Orlandos
- Next meetup: January
- Newsletter: swiftonserver.com looking for topics
  - should be monthly, has been 2-3 months
  - topics could be links to packages etc
- Deployment guides
  - Euan's talk was interesting, also Seb's
  - Receives many questions about deployment
  - These guides are important
- Documentation and examples for libs
  - Would be nice if we had more beginner-friendly doc
  - @finestructure : Problem is partly reference docs vs overview docs, think emphasis should be on overview docs
  - @finestructure: Documentation WG is looking into scaffolding docs better, to provide a better getting started experience when adding docs to a package
@taylorswift : small scale server-side Swift mentoring program
- 5-6 mentors
- Collaboration focused
- Make server-side more prominent
- Find maintainers
- Streamline onboarding process for people starting out with server-side Swift
- Feel Swift Mentorship Program is too general, too open-ended
- Mentees are in silos
- Instead: bootcamp for the whole group, easy project, teaching workflows
- Group learning exercise, async, peer-peer, mentees help each other out, too
- @tachyonics to take the lead formulating a plan
  - How to find/test mentees (mentees should be somewhat proficient in Swift, goal is to teach server-side Swift, not Swift)
  - Define a project
- @Ben_Cohen : should sync up with existing program as well
- Follow up at next meeting