Deletion of posts and topics

Recently, I saw a new topic that suddenly disappeared, and apparently, that happened against the will of its author. I personally consider silencing someone else to be a quite aggressive act, and I wonder if such measurements are really appropriate (unless it's obvious spam).
Because posts got deleted, I don't know the full story, but I realized that such things might happen on a regular basis without even being noticed. That thought is concerning, especially as I don't remember a single incident from the time when Evolution still was a mailing list.
Is there a way for regular users to see hidden topics, or at least some stats?

Also, I think it would be more in line with the goals of the project to communicate more openly about any sort of moderation:

As contributors and maintainers of this project, and in the interest of fostering an open and welcoming community, we pledge to respect all people who contribute through reporting issues, posting feature requests, updating documentation, submitting pull requests or patches, and other activities.

Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by contacting a member of the Swift Core Team. All complaints will be reviewed and investigated and will result in a response that is deemed necessary and appropriate to the circumstances.

Apparently, if someone feels treated in an unacceptable way by the Core Team, the judge is identical with the defendant, so requests for justice become somewhat pointless. Ideally, such situations never happen, but if it does, at least it should be possible for the accuser to have their case discussed openly in front of the whole community: Even if it doesn't change the outcome, it wouldn't leave anyone in the role of a victim that's totally helpless.

To be honest, I hesitated to write about this incident (and I didn't include any direct references) — but self censorship is a terrible thing, and I'm pretty convinced I'm not breaking any rules here (at least not in a way that is significant; things are getting tough with so many words that rather belong into a courtroom ;-).

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Assuming I'm thinking of the correct post, it hasn't been deleted, but rather delisted, such that it can only be accessed via a direct link.

Note: I flagged your post for moderation to request that the moderators give an authoritative response to what I think is a good-faith question.

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I think it's completely reasonable to ask for an authoritative answer to what's going on here. That response will have to come from the core team, and to be an authoritative response, we'll have to make sure that everyone's on board with it. So I want to let you know that it's coming, but it'll take a bit.

For now, I'll just say that these have always been actively moderated forums, and that has always included rejecting, hiding, editing, and deleting posts that we feel are off-topic, undermine the quality of discussion, or are dismissive or hostile to members of the community. When a post crosses a line in some small way but otherwise provides a lot of value, we try to have a light touch; when a post doesn't seem to contribute much, we're a lot more heavy-handed. You can "appeal" a decision by bringing it to the attention of other moderators and asking them to change their minds, but that's it. And to be clear, these remedies are always localized to a few posts; we only escalate to suspending or banning posters for bad-faith behavior or clear code of conduct violations.

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Take your time — actually, an authoritative answer wasn't my goal, but I'll be thankful for whatever I get ;-).
My personal preference is an open discussion right here in the forum, but I acknowledge that talking directly can be less tedious (especially when it's about non-technical topics).
Still, I'd appreciate further contributions, from members of the team and the rest of the community. The way people deal with problems tells a lot about a group, and I hope we'll end up with conclusions which everyone can agree to.

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