update on forum

The decision to move to a forum was announced a while ago, and it hasn’t appeared yet. I think we will be making the move soon and I wanted to provide some reasons why it was delayed and what comes next.

The reasons it was delayed are twofold:

- When we (the community) decided to move to a forum there was plenty of other planned infrastructure work that was in the works that took immediate priority (such as the source compatibility suite and supporting Swift 4 development).

- In August (when Swift 4 was wrapping up) my team at Apple seriously picked up the topic of the forum again and started looking in how to make it happen. At that point, a bunch of unexpected delays, one after the other, happened. I can’t share these details (they are mostly non-technical) and going through them would come off as me making a bunch of excuses anyway. I do realize the forum has been promised and not yet delivered for some time, and I know how frustrating that is to the community.

Here’s what happens next:

- We plan on having the company behind Discourse.org <http://discourse.org/> host the forums. We’re wrapping up the remaining steps to issue a PO, but my hope is to get that all done within the next couple weeks. Thanksgiving in the USA may delay that to the beginning of December.

- My understanding is the forum will still have a swift.org <http://swift.org/> address, so the hosting is just an implementation detail.

- The company hosting Discourse.org will migrate the existing mailing list archives over to the new forum. One thing we will need to figure out (possibly as a community?) are specific requirements we have in place for that migration. The new forums don’t have to exactly mirror how the mailing lists are structured today, and part of the reason to move to the forum was motivated by having new opportunities to structure conversations.

I suspect there will be some trial and error with moving over the existing mailing lists to the new forum, and I don’t have a good feel on how long that will take. However, once we reach that stage, it should be very transparent to the community what exactly is going on. My hope is that process will start in December.

Ted

Glad to see there is progress on this :slight_smile:

I am hoping, in addition to sections equivalent to the lists, there are areas for working groups on specific topics, and areas for 3rd party frameworks/packages to coordinate/cross-polinate ideas. For example, I have code which I use as a more powerful (and easier to use) form of “bindings” which I am considering cleaning up and open sourcing. It would be nice to have a place on the forums where I could ask if others were interested in helping with that effort (or even just had advice for it). None of the lists seem to be right for that right now...

Thanks,
Jon

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On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:13 AM, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

The decision to move to a forum was announced a while ago, and it hasn’t appeared yet. I think we will be making the move soon and I wanted to provide some reasons why it was delayed and what comes next.

The reasons it was delayed are twofold:

- When we (the community) decided to move to a forum there was plenty of other planned infrastructure work that was in the works that took immediate priority (such as the source compatibility suite and supporting Swift 4 development).

- In August (when Swift 4 was wrapping up) my team at Apple seriously picked up the topic of the forum again and started looking in how to make it happen. At that point, a bunch of unexpected delays, one after the other, happened. I can’t share these details (they are mostly non-technical) and going through them would come off as me making a bunch of excuses anyway. I do realize the forum has been promised and not yet delivered for some time, and I know how frustrating that is to the community.

Here’s what happens next:

- We plan on having the company behind Discourse.org <http://discourse.org/> host the forums. We’re wrapping up the remaining steps to issue a PO, but my hope is to get that all done within the next couple weeks. Thanksgiving in the USA may delay that to the beginning of December.

- My understanding is the forum will still have a swift.org <http://swift.org/> address, so the hosting is just an implementation detail.

- The company hosting Discourse.org <http://discourse.org/> will migrate the existing mailing list archives over to the new forum. One thing we will need to figure out (possibly as a community?) are specific requirements we have in place for that migration. The new forums don’t have to exactly mirror how the mailing lists are structured today, and part of the reason to move to the forum was motivated by having new opportunities to structure conversations.

I suspect there will be some trial and error with moving over the existing mailing lists to the new forum, and I don’t have a good feel on how long that will take. However, once we reach that stage, it should be very transparent to the community what exactly is going on. My hope is that process will start in December.

Ted
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Thanks for the clarification on that Ted :slight_smile:
Are all the mailing list gonna move there or only swift-evo?

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On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

The decision to move to a forum was announced a while ago, and it hasn’t
appeared yet. I think we will be making the move soon and I wanted to
provide some reasons why it was delayed and what comes next.

The reasons it was delayed are twofold:

- When we (the community) decided to move to a forum there was plenty of
other planned infrastructure work that was in the works that took immediate
priority (such as the source compatibility suite and supporting Swift 4
development).

- In August (when Swift 4 was wrapping up) my team at Apple seriously picked
up the topic of the forum again and started looking in how to make it
happen. At that point, a bunch of unexpected delays, one after the other,
happened. I can’t share these details (they are mostly non-technical) and
going through them would come off as me making a bunch of excuses anyway. I
do realize the forum has been promised and not yet delivered for some time,
and I know how frustrating that is to the community.

Here’s what happens next:

- We plan on having the company behind Discourse.org host the forums. We’re
wrapping up the remaining steps to issue a PO, but my hope is to get that
all done within the next couple weeks. Thanksgiving in the USA may delay
that to the beginning of December.

- My understanding is the forum will still have a swift.org address, so the
hosting is just an implementation detail.

- The company hosting Discourse.org will migrate the existing mailing list
archives over to the new forum. One thing we will need to figure out
(possibly as a community?) are specific requirements we have in place for
that migration. The new forums don’t have to exactly mirror how the mailing
lists are structured today, and part of the reason to move to the forum was
motivated by having new opportunities to structure conversations.

I suspect there will be some trial and error with moving over the existing
mailing lists to the new forum, and I don’t have a good feel on how long
that will take. However, once we reach that stage, it should be very
transparent to the community what exactly is going on. My hope is that
process will start in December.

Ted

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That sounds great to me. I don’t see December as a promise, and as I already mentioned in the other thread, that’s totally fine by me. I think it’s only fair if I say that a little bit more transparency on what’s going on with the forum is already enough for the community.

I’d say we should migrate all existing mailing lists to the new forum. I also would love if the forum wouldn’t be restricted to pure swift evolution. By that I don’t mean I want to see other topics in the evolution category or subforum. What I really meant is that it would really great if the forum could evolve itself as a centralized forum for *all* existing swift platforms. If for instance there would be a subforum for apple platforms, their active members can start showing interest in the language evolution and begin contributing to the evolution process.

Furthermore I really believe that the swift forum will also bring contributors together and make it way easier to find teams that can tackle proposals (authors/implementers) where their process can stay transparent and where we (the community) can follow along and provide feedback.

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Am 9. November 2017 um 15:13:33, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution (swift-evolution@swift.org) schrieb:

The decision to move to a forum was announced a while ago, and it hasn’t appeared yet. I think we will be making the move soon and I wanted to provide some reasons why it was delayed and what comes next.

The reasons it was delayed are twofold:

- When we (the community) decided to move to a forum there was plenty of other planned infrastructure work that was in the works that took immediate priority (such as the source compatibility suite and supporting Swift 4 development).

- In August (when Swift 4 was wrapping up) my team at Apple seriously picked up the topic of the forum again and started looking in how to make it happen. At that point, a bunch of unexpected delays, one after the other, happened. I can’t share these details (they are mostly non-technical) and going through them would come off as me making a bunch of excuses anyway. I do realize the forum has been promised and not yet delivered for some time, and I know how frustrating that is to the community.

Here’s what happens next:

- We plan on having the company behind Discourse.org host the forums. We’re wrapping up the remaining steps to issue a PO, but my hope is to get that all done within the next couple weeks. Thanksgiving in the USA may delay that to the beginning of December.

- My understanding is the forum will still have a swift.org address, so the hosting is just an implementation detail.

- The company hosting Discourse.org will migrate the existing mailing list archives over to the new forum. One thing we will need to figure out (possibly as a community?) are specific requirements we have in place for that migration. The new forums don’t have to exactly mirror how the mailing lists are structured today, and part of the reason to move to the forum was motivated by having new opportunities to structure conversations.

I suspect there will be some trial and error with moving over the existing mailing lists to the new forum, and I don’t have a good feel on how long that will take. However, once we reach that stage, it should be very transparent to the community what exactly is going on. My hope is that process will start in December.

Ted
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I was thinking all the mailing lists.

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On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:07 AM, Alejandro Martinez <alexito4@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the clarification on that Ted :slight_smile:
Are all the mailing list gonna move there or only swift-evo?

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution > <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:

The decision to move to a forum was announced a while ago, and it hasn’t
appeared yet. I think we will be making the move soon and I wanted to
provide some reasons why it was delayed and what comes next.

The reasons it was delayed are twofold:

- When we (the community) decided to move to a forum there was plenty of
other planned infrastructure work that was in the works that took immediate
priority (such as the source compatibility suite and supporting Swift 4
development).

- In August (when Swift 4 was wrapping up) my team at Apple seriously picked
up the topic of the forum again and started looking in how to make it
happen. At that point, a bunch of unexpected delays, one after the other,
happened. I can’t share these details (they are mostly non-technical) and
going through them would come off as me making a bunch of excuses anyway. I
do realize the forum has been promised and not yet delivered for some time,
and I know how frustrating that is to the community.

Here’s what happens next:

- We plan on having the company behind Discourse.org host the forums. We’re
wrapping up the remaining steps to issue a PO, but my hope is to get that
all done within the next couple weeks. Thanksgiving in the USA may delay
that to the beginning of December.

- My understanding is the forum will still have a swift.org address, so the
hosting is just an implementation detail.

- The company hosting Discourse.org will migrate the existing mailing list
archives over to the new forum. One thing we will need to figure out
(possibly as a community?) are specific requirements we have in place for
that migration. The new forums don’t have to exactly mirror how the mailing
lists are structured today, and part of the reason to move to the forum was
motivated by having new opportunities to structure conversations.

I suspect there will be some trial and error with moving over the existing
mailing lists to the new forum, and I don’t have a good feel on how long
that will take. However, once we reach that stage, it should be very
transparent to the community what exactly is going on. My hope is that
process will start in December.

Ted

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