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1. Re: Build Linux app on Mac Os X (Daniel Dunbar)
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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:09:26 -0700
From: Daniel Dunbar <daniel_dunbar@apple.com>
To: jasonk@apps4u.com.au
Cc: "swift-build-dev@swift.org" <swift-build-dev@swift.org>
Subject: Re: [swift-build-dev] Build Linux app on Mac Os X
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I think this proposal is a little more complicated than necessary.
Using Hypervisor directly doesn't really seem in the realm of the
package manager to do, especially when there are nicely packaged tools
like Docker for Mac which basically handle all of that.
I can imagine an interesting feature where the package manager had the
ability to compile for Linux in one of two ways:
1. The approach described, using some kind of virtualization to be
able to actually execute the build on Linux. This would have the
advantage that the tests and executables could also be run. However,
this would also be rather complicated and I'm not sure it is
ultimately the right place to solve this problem.
2. We could support cross-compiling to Linux. This would fit clearly
in our feature set, and would also be a lot easier to make robust and
with a good user experience. However, this wouldn't help with the
ability to run tests...
In either case, I don't know of anyone actively trying to tackle
features in these areas...
- Daniel
On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:46 PM, apps4u via swift-build-dev < >>>> swift-build-dev@swift.org> wrote:
HI I submited a proposal to the Swift Mailing list when it a build
feature. So Ive inclued the original message but Im going to rewrite so I
could be a bit more clear.
I have a propoal of using the new Hypervisor.framework to enable Swift
Linux build's on Os X. So at the monment there is a need to use 3rd party
tools (VM, Docker) to run a linux kernel on Os x to build Swift Liunx
server app's. Now I was thinking that with the release of
Hypervisor.framework that this could now be achive in a clean and
transparent way.
So the main idea is to have the abilty to create a linux target but
when building and running instead of running on the Mac kernel a small
liunx kernel can be started as a headless background process and the app
would build and run within that vm. So the folder to the project could be
mounted with in the Linux vm. Hypervisor.framework is perfect for this sort
of enbeding. It could be inbeded as a XPC proecess so that Linux VM would
be used for all project's.
The target should be able to be configured by user to pick if it runs
on OS X or Linux.
This could Also be tied into the Package Manager where there could be a
option to set the packages target runtime.
Also to start with I don't think this would need to be under full user
control, What I mean by that I would not let the user pick the Linux OS or
packages that are installed etc. I think the Linux os should include a
common set of software eg: CURL, OpenSSL , etc. just the common set of
software.
or if people think otherwise that it could have full user control of
Linux OS and installed Software.
But My thought is to keep it simple and small so its as fast as
possiable and at the end of the Day user should always Test on the
Production OS which can be done using the current method's of running Linux
on a VM or Cloud provider or Container.
I think that this would make the developer experance even better and
add a valuable feature to Swift Package Manager.
Now Where I made the mistake in the other post to bring up XCode how
this could then enable Builld/Run/Debug of a Linux target. I only brought
that up to explain the current process which requires docker or some vm
software to be setup and some build scripts to get it to work which is a
bit of effort for each project.
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Sorry I just noticed the Swift Build mailing list . would that be a
better place . Now Xcode would not need to be inclued as that's a apple
product so Im was just using a example on how it could be use the Main
feature request is to have Swift build use Hypervisor.Framework to work
with Swift build to be able to build a Linux project on Os X with out
having to create your own VM or container to run a linux kernel.
So Im going to send this to the Swift Build Mailing list.
August 14 2016 10:17 AM, "Félix Cloutier" <felixcca@yahoo.ca <mailto:
%22F%C3%A9lix%20Cloutier%22%20<felixcca@yahoo.ca>>> wrote:
The swift-evolution mailing list is about the language itself, Xcode is
independent. I don't know where you could try to push that suggestion.
Félix
Le 13 août 2016 à 16:40:42, apps4u via swift-evolution < >>>>> swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> a écrit
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I have a Proposal but I'm not sure if Its the right place to propose
but as it has to do with building Swift So I'm going to submit here. So
Please let me know if that is not the place to propose this feature. As it
includes Xcode.
Ok So this is a proposal for being able to build swift for linux on
Mac Os X in Xcode just like a native target.
With the release of Hypervisor.framework It would be good if from
within Xcode I can create a project with a Linux Target and when clicking
Build and run it create a VM running a small linux Kernel using
Hypervisor.framework.
By using Hypervisor.framework it would be better integrated into the
tools as it has a small foot print. The idea would be to have the VM
downloaded before a build. The linux VM should be small and only have the
required software to test a server and using the hypervisor.framework the
project build folder can be attached to the vm at build time so the working
with different projects at the same time would not require lots of VM.
Now I know that this would be best if integrated into Xcode and this
is the Swift Language mailing list but Swift build is part of the Language.
This could also be used to debugging. Now Its possible now to use
Docker to run a linux vm and have a shared folder for your project and some
scripts to kick off the build. But it take time to setup per project and is
not the Experience i would expect in Xcode.
Now My first thought when I found out about Hypervisor.framework that
the reason it was created was to add linux targets to Xcode.
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