Social presence outside Twitter

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I briefly closed this thread because I felt that some moderation and a cooldown was in order; I've now reopened it.

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Do we — the community — have any visibility or transparency into the extent — if there is any extent — that the decision to keep the official SwiftLang Twitter-slash-X account active is made by Apple through an internal decision-making process that is by design not visible or transparent to the community?

Are the Apple Employees active on this forum bound through their employment agreement to not comment on the role that Apple has in this decision-making process? It would be kind of a Catch-22 at that point… the community needs someone outside of Apple to tell us exactly what is happening… but nobody outside of Apple knows exactly what is happening.

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Adding my 2c that I'd love to see SwiftLang have presence on a social platform that:

  • Does not require the user to be logged in / have an account to view content
  • Has content moderation

Back when the product was named Twitter, both of the above were true of the platform. Now that neither of the above is true, it'd be great to see SwiftLang move their social presence to a platform where the above is true.

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@tkremenek Hi! Could you please help us understand more what actionable next steps would look like for community members to help migrate an official SwiftLang presence to Mastodon or Bluesky? Could you please help us understand what the blockers might be to Mastodon or Bluesky? Thanks!

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@vanvoorden, thanks for tagging me.

The core team is actively discussing this topic and we expect to have an update in the next few days. We appreciate all the discussion here as it has been extremely valuable.

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Step 0 is to revert this and make a public apology: Apple has started advertising on X again | The Verge

(Or go on a strike until Apple does that, not up to date on how separated are the different entities in play)

Without that, you might as well just remove the Swift.org - Diversity in Swift site, nobody likes when people are trying to play both sides.

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Cross-referencing announcement here:

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@tkremenek Sounds great! Thanks!

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Thanks to everyone who made this possible!

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I don't see any tasks open to update swift-org-website. Is anyone tracking that already? Do you need any help from the community to submit a diff?

AFAIK this would also unblock us as marking the Mastodon account as official and verified.

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There is now an issue tracking this:

I have seen the new Swiftlang account on Mastodon, but have not seen the Bluesky account yet.

My guess is the website workgroup will want to discuss if there's more to be done beyond adding the new accounts.

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Let’s avoid bringing politics into the forum. There’s lot people supporting Trump / Musk.

Different people may have different viewpoints / opinions, and that’s democracy & free speech.

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If you don't want politics here, avoid replying to a five day old post with political equivocating.

By the way, I suggest you look up the paradox of tolerance.

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I've had the same experience posting in the past

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Swift has such a strong community, and it’d be great to see more presence beyond Twitter. Mastodon could be a solid option, especially with more devs moving there. Maybe an official SwiftLang account on Mastodon or even a dedicated Swift community on a platform like Discord or Reddit could help bring more devs together.

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@larfts: Just last week it was announced Swiftlang will have official accounts on Mastodon and Bluesky.

The accounts are:
https://mastodon.social/@swiftlang
https://bsky.app/profile/swift.org

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I was very happy to hear that Mastodon and Bluesky would be added last year as alternatives to keeping a Swift account active on Twitter. I completely empathized with the community members that believed Twitter was algorithmically boosting far-right hate speech… but I also very (very) reluctantly empathized with community members that believed continuing to post on Twitter would somehow preserve "free speech".

Discussion about Sexual Imagery and CSAM

Today the "free speech" championed by Elon Musk includes software that makes it trivially easy to deepfake undress women and children and share those photos.

Can we all agree now that maybe walking away from Twitter might be the right thing to do? We can agree that yes some community members might be unhappy with that decision and yes we can collectively ask those community members to "disagree and commit"?

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While we are on the subject, could someone please disable the "Share on X" menu (alongside the "Quote" and "Copy Quote" menus) that pops up on this Discourse whenever text is selected? I doubt anyone in the history of this forum has ever actually used it, and it makes it seem like X is preferenced over Mastodon/Bluesky.

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