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Hello, any arity
zip(). What are you doing here? +1
The proposal lists an upcoming feature flag of
VariadicGenerics but the Source Compatibility section of the proposal says this is an additive change with no source compatibility impact.
Is there syntax or behavior that will be enabled by turning on the upcoming feature flag in shipping releases that include this proposal?
If not, then
VariadicGenerics should probably be listed as an experimental feature flag under Implementation, similar to SE-0393 and SE-0398.
And if so, the proposal should describe what functionality / syntax is being held until Swift 6 unless enabled by the upcoming feature flag.
VariadicGenerics is an experimental feature flag, not an upcoming feature flag. Fixed in [SE-0399] `VariadicGenerics` is not an upcoming feature flag. by hborla · Pull Request #2056 · apple/swift-evolution · GitHub. Thank you for pointing this out!
You’re welcome - thanks for making the change! Both kinds of feature flags are very useful but subtly different and can be easily confused by users.
I'm trying out the latest snapshot and it seems like the implementation still uses the original syntax from 0393's future directions (e.g.
repeat print(each tuple.element) instead of
repeat print(each tuple)). The proposal says the implementation is on main so I assume it hasn't made it into a snapshot yet or the
.element syntax is just being used until this is accepted? (I grabbed the latest snapshot toolchain this morning).
In terms of the proposal itself, I think it's really clean! I wasn't a fan of the
each tuple.element syntax mentioned in 0393; treating abstract tuples the same as value packs makes so much more sense :)
I'm looking forward to trying out variadic generics in my SwiftUI-like UI framework SwiftCrossUI once there's a fix for the compiler crash that blocked me this morning. I might try and look into fixing that if I get the time. I've already had a go at updating the SwiftCrossUI implementation and I've been able to replace so many ugly gyb-generated repetitive definitions with clean and succinct variadic definitions.
Apologies, the implementation note should probably say something more like "partial" given that, as you noted, it still is with the earlier
.element syntax. The work to drop that syntax is underway but not yet complete. Glad to hear that this will be useful for you and the specifics about that!
It would be self-evident, but is the order of execution is stable? In other word, if
repeat print(each tuple), execution must start from the first item and end with the last item in the
Since the elements in an abstract tuple are the value pack, this becomes a more general question of all packs as specified by SE-0399, and yes the order of expansion is sequential and stable.
Thanks for participating in this review; the language steering group has decided to accept this proposal.